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Temporal converbs: -mAdAn önce / -DIktAn sonra

Expressing "before doing" and "after doing" with verb stems

what is it?

Turkish has two verbal suffixes that attach directly to a verb stem to express time relationships between two events. -mAdAn (önce) means "before doing something", and -DIktAn sonra means "after doing something". These are called temporal converbs: they turn a verb into an adverbial phrase without making it a full finite clause. The subject of the converb phrase is expressed as a bare noun or pronoun — no extra case marking is added to it.

when to use it

  • Sequencing two actions (before): Use -mAdAn önce when the main-clause action must happen before the converb action. The converb phrase comes first in the sentence.

  • Sequencing two actions (after): Use -DIktAn sonra when the main-clause action happens after the converb action is completed.

  • Dropping önce: The postposition önce is optional. -mAdAn alone already carries the "before" meaning in everyday speech. sonra after -DIktAn is not optional — it is always present.

  • Different subjects: The converb phrase and the main clause can have different subjects. The converb's subject is simply placed before the converb phrase as a bare noun or pronoun.

formation

Both suffixes attach to the bare verb stem (the same base you use for the imperative). Vowel harmony applies throughout: the capital letters A and I represent the four-way and two-way vowel harmony alternations respectively, and D represents the consonant that surfaces as d or t depending on the final sound of the stem.

-mAdAn (önce) — stem + -madan / -meden (+ optional önce)

stemoutput formmeaning
git-gitmeden (önce)before going
ye-yemeden (önce)before eating
gel-gelmeden (önce)before coming
uyu-uyumadan (önce)before sleeping

-DIktAn sonra — stem + -dikten / -dıktan / -duktan / -dükten (or -tikten / -tıktan / -tuktan / -tükten after voiceless final consonants) + sonra

stemoutput formmeaning
ye-yedikten sonraafter eating
git-gittikten sonraafter going
gel-geldikten sonraafter coming
dön-döndükten sonraafter returning
uyu-uyuduktan sonraafter sleeping

Neither suffix takes person or possessive endings. The form is invariable regardless of who performs the action: sen gittikten sonra, o gittikten sonra, biz gittikten sonra — the verb form never changes.

examples in context

Gitmeden önce ara beni.
Call me before you go.
The converb phrase gitmeden önce frames the imperative main clause. Subject of the converb is understood from context.
Yedikten sonra dişlerimi fırçalarım.
I brush my teeth after eating.
A habitual routine. The converb subject and the main-clause subject are the same (first person singular), so no separate noun is needed.
Okuldan döndükten sonra dinlendim.
I rested after coming back from school.
The stem dön- ends in a voiced consonant, so the suffix is -dükten (back rounded vowel harmony).
Uyumadan dişlerini fırçala.
Brush your teeth before sleeping.
Here önce is dropped. -mAdAn alone expresses "before".
Sen gittikten sonra herkes üzüldü.
Everyone was sad after you left.
The converb has its own subject sen, different from the main-clause subject herkes. The converb form gittikten does not change to agree with sen.

common pitfalls

  • Using a noun construction instead of the verbal converb. Turkish does have a nominal pattern noun + -DAn önce/sonra (e.g. dersten sonra — after the lesson), but when the reference is to an action you must use the verbal suffix. Incorrect: gitmek önce — Correct: gitmeden önce.

  • Confusing -mAdAn ("without doing") with -mAdAn önce ("before doing"). The suffix -mAdAn has two uses. Without önce it can mean "without doing" in some contexts: yemeden gitme (don't go without eating). When the meaning is clearly temporal — especially before an imperative — it reads as "before": uyumadan dişlerini fırçala (brush your teeth before sleeping). Adding önce removes any ambiguity.

  • Adding person or possessive endings to -DIktAn sonra. Learners sometimes try to mark the converb's subject on the verb: Incorrect: gittiğinden sonra — Correct: gittikten sonra. The converb form never agrees with its subject.

  • Treating önce as obligatory after -mAdAn. önce is optional and is frequently dropped in everyday speech. Uyumadan and uyumadan önce are both correct and mean the same thing in a temporal context. By contrast, sonra after -DIktAn is always required.

Quick check

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Şov ___ herkes alkışlamaya başladı. (bitmek)

Fill in the blank with the correct temporal converb form of the verb in parentheses.

Temporal converbs: -mAdAn önce / -DIktAn sonra in Turkish (A2) · drill