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Indefinite pronouns II

irgend-, mancher, sämtliche, and the extended indefinite system

what is it?

German has a second tier of indefinite pronouns and determiners that goes beyond the basic jemand / niemand / etwas / nichts set. This tier includes the irgend- compounds (for unspecified persons, things, and places), the quantifiers mancher, mehrere, einige, sämtliche, beide, the place-adverb series überall / nirgendwo / anderswo, and the stand-alone pronouns einer / keiner / welche used when the noun is omitted. Each item in this group has its own declension pattern and range of meaning; choosing the right form and inflecting it correctly are the two main challenges at B2.

when to use it

  • irgend- compounds — use when the identity or location is unknown or irrelevant to the speaker. Irgendjemand (some person or other), irgendetwas (something unspecified), irgendwo (somewhere, static), irgendwohin (somewhere, directional), irgendein- (some … or other, used as a determiner before a noun).

  • mancher — use to mean «some» or «many a», referring to an unspecified subset of a group. It functions as both a determiner (mancher Kollege) and a stand-alone pronoun (Manches ist schwierig.).

  • mehrere / einige — use for «several» or «a few» with countable plurals. Both are always plural and take adjective-style endings.

  • sämtliche — use to mean «all» or «the entire lot of», typically in formal or written registers. It is always plural and declines like a strong adjective.

  • beide — use for «both» when referring to exactly two referents already known from context. It declines like a strong adjective in the plural.

  • einer / keiner / welche as stand-alone pronouns — use when the noun is omitted because it is recoverable from context. welche is the partitive pronoun for mass nouns and plurals (equivalent to «some» in English). keiner is its negative counterpart.

  • place-adverb series — überall (everywhere), nirgendwo / nirgends (nowhere), anderswo (somewhere else). These are uninflected adverbs; they do not take case endings.

formation

irgend- compounds are formed by prefixing irgend- to an existing pronoun or adverb. The base word retains its own declension; irgendein- declines exactly like the indefinite article ein- with strong endings where the article has none (nominative masculine and neuter, accusative neuter).

masc.fem.neut.pl.
nom.irgendeinerirgendeineirgendein(e)sirgendwelche
acc.irgendeinenirgendeineirgendein(e)sirgendwelche
dat.irgendeinemirgendeinerirgendeinemirgendwelchen
gen.irgendeinesirgendeinerirgendeinesirgendwelcher

As a stand-alone pronoun (no following noun), the neuter nominative/accusative is irgendeins. As a determiner before a noun, irgendein (without -s) is also accepted.

mancher declines like the demonstrative dieser (strong endings throughout).

masc.fem.neut.pl.
nom.manchermanchemanchesmanche
acc.manchenmanchemanchesmanche
dat.manchemmanchermanchemmanchen
gen.manchesmanchermanchesmancher

sämtliche, mehrere, einige, beide are always plural and take strong adjective endings. The table below shows sämtliche as a representative; mehrere, einige, beide follow the same pattern.

caseform (pl.)example
nom.sämtlicheSämtliche Unterlagen fehlen.
acc.sämtlicheEr hat sämtliche Unterlagen verloren.
dat.sämtlichenmit sämtlichen Kollegen
gen.sämtlichertrotz sämtlicher Bemühungen

einer / keiner / welche as stand-alone pronouns — einer / keiner decline like dieser in the singular. welche / keine serve as the plural and mass-noun partitive forms.

masc.fem.neut.pl. / mass noun
nom.einer / keinereine / keineeins / keinswelche / keine
acc.einen / keineneine / keineeins / keinswelche / keine
dat.einem / keinemeiner / keinereinem / keinemwelchen / keinen

examples in context

Irgendjemand hat für dich angerufen.
Someone called for you.
irgendjemand is uninflected in the nominative; in the accusative it becomes irgendjemanden.
Manche Kollegen arbeiten lieber im Homeoffice.
Some colleagues prefer working from home.
manche in the nominative plural; the strong ending -e matches the plural nominative pattern of dieser.
Brauchst du einen Stift? — Ich habe keinen.
Do you need a pen? — I don't have one.
keinen is the accusative masculine stand-alone pronoun; the noun Stift is omitted because it is clear from context.
Hast du noch Milch? — Ja, es ist noch welche da.
Do you still have milk? — Yes, there is some left.
welche is the partitive pronoun for mass nouns (feminine or neuter singular, and plurals). It replaces «some» when the noun is not repeated.
Er hat sämtliche Unterlagen mitgebracht.
He brought all the documents.
sämtliche in the accusative plural; the ending remains -e because the strong accusative plural ending is identical to the nominative plural.
Ich habe beide Bücher schon gelesen.
I have already read both books.
beide in the accusative plural; strong ending -e.
Ich habe das Buch irgendwo liegen lassen.
I left the book somewhere.
irgendwo is a static place adverb (location, not direction). For direction, use irgendwohin.

common pitfalls

  • Using the article form instead of the pronoun form. When the noun is omitted, ein must take a strong ending. Brauchst du einen Stift? — *Ich habe ein. is wrong; the correct form is keinen (accusative masculine) or einen in a positive answer. For a neuter antecedent, the stand-alone form is eins, not ein.

  • Leaving mancher or sämtliche undeclined. Both words must agree with their noun in case, number, and gender. *mit manche Kollegen is wrong; the dative plural requires manchen. Similarly, *trotz sämtliche Bemühungen must be sämtlicher Bemühungen (genitive plural).

  • Missing welche as the partitive pronoun for mass nouns. English «some» has no direct German equivalent when used as a stand-alone pronoun. Learners often omit it entirely or use etwas instead. *Ja, es ist noch etwas da. is not wrong, but it shifts the meaning to «a little bit». The natural partitive answer is welche: Ja, es ist noch welche da.

Do not confuse the directional adverb irgendwohin (motion towards an unspecified place) with the static irgendwo (location at an unspecified place). *Ich gehe irgendwo. should be Ich gehe irgendwohin.

Quick check

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Fill in the blank with the correct form of the indefinite pronoun.

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